Comments on: Now Is Not the Time to Evaluate CoH and WG

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By: Lume

Lume — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:41:27 +0000

Too late to change? If you didn’t notice, Ulduar isn’t even on the PTR yet. They have an internal test to run and they can evaluate the spells there.

Oh, and I guarantee you that if they overdo it, you’re going to be seeing raid heal stacking once again for Sapphiron.

The fight was dealt with by stacking PoH priests before for much of the raid damage. And it’s now dealt with using CoH/WG/CH.

It’d be too late to change that. Wouldn’t it?

By: Ngita

Ngita — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:58:09 +0000

3.0 fights arent hard enough to need extensive use of WG and/or COH. But its still being used too much according to GC. But what you are saying is they should wait till they have added t8+ fights that are meant to be hard, that are balanced around the current WG and coh spells and then if the are still seen as overpowered and used to much and then nerf them? At which time of course the cry would be that raids and content are designed around them and its too late to change,.

By: Lume

Lume — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:27:09 +0000

It’s an assumption for you to think I don’t do 5-mans. Hello, achievements. Hello, alts.

WG and COH aren’t all there is to 5-mans. At this stage, a lot of tanks outgear the 5-mans. And the TBC 5-mans were designed without CoH or WG in mind. So that counter doesn’t hold water.

And then to use ad hominem and try to paint my words as though I’m shouting at the “unwashed” is not valid in itself for the sake of courtesy and logic.

I said that now is not the time to evaluate them because TBC wasn’t designed for them and because a lot of it had been nerfed and people buffed through talents. Simply.

When I leveled up and healed in the beta, I hardly used WG. Not because other spells are more ideal. But because people (especially the tank) would have died if I hadn’t.

That’s not me preaching. That’s not me being elitist. And I’m anything but that. It’s a realistic fact that the developers and others don’t understand, IMO.

They may need balancing some time in the future. But now is not the time to determine that.

By: Thunder

Thunder — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:33:17 +0000

I don’t agree with you at all.
You’re in this 1% elite group that has stood in front of KJ where these spells are absolutely necessary. The rest of us poor saps are still languishing in instances, heroics and maybe T4 instances where the use of coh and wg is just out of control. People use these spells, inappropriate, in these places not because they need to but because they can. Blizzard allows them too, and they have the stats.

Sure you can mentor, advise and shout at these people to use better healing practices but the message isn’t getting through to the great unwashed. If you cant guide people to change then you change the underlying mechanic. You don’t want this crazy practice to continue for the next 10 levels in regular instances.

How do you solve the problem to cover both groups of players? Simple, make the spell instance dependent. Got an instance with raid wide damage? disable cooldowns. 5 man instance? cooldowns are on to encourage you to use other spells.
Now if only they could do that to balance pvp/pve

By: Kirkie

Kirkie — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:41:25 +0000

I agree with you also, I hope Blizzard listens. If you look at our last KJ kill, yes, I’m using WG, but it’s about 45% of my total healing (big whoop) http://wowwebstats.com/eoomk4ufivdy3?s=259485-303532&m – that leave a lot of room for other buttons for me to press. The JOY! However, who can say how this spell will really be used in the lvl 80 end game raids? AAAHHGG! Why are they messing with it so early?

By: Naithin

Naithin — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:03:06 +0000

*applaud*

A fantastic writeup, Lume. I can’t help but to agree wholeheartedly with it, and hope that of all the bloggers writing on this subject at the moment, at least you are given some consideration when they come to make – or not make – changes to CoH/WG.

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By: Lume

Lume — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:55:50 +0000

@Qix: Priests actually aren’t casting nothing but CoH on every fight. Or shouldn’t be, rather.

On Kael, you don’t spam CoH except on the weapons, really. Maybe on the final phase if a phoenix gets into the middle of a bunch of people.

On Supremus, if a priest is spamming nothing but CoH they aren’t utilizing their best heals for various situations.

Same on Illidan outside of phase two.

And so on.