Boycott Wowjutsu
by Lume ~ December 22nd, 2008. Filed under: Misc.Wowjutsu is an aberration. Its guild rankings for raiding are simply inaccurate. While Lunacy on Proudmoore has managed every realm first, minus the 25-man version of Naxxramas, it is ranked seventh on the realm according to Wowjutsu.
Compared to WoWProgress, Wowjutsu is a joke. It is highly inaccurate, and it has been since the release of Sunwell Plateau. It detects and registers pieces of loot weeks after people have picked them up. And despite the fact that the site can rip the dates of boss kills straight from the armory, it still registers the day a guild has killed a boss as the day its system detects the achievement or loot. And all the attempts I’ve made to have the administrator correct these specific inaccuracies have gone unheeded. Meanwhile, the administrators at WoWProgress work tirelessly to correct their mistakes and improve their site.
Guild rankings are important to many raiding guilds. Placing can be a big factor in drawing recruits to apply to a guild. So when a “guild ranking” site becomes inaccurate and does nothing or little to fix its problems, it fails to aid the WoW community and actually harms it. Therefore, I call on all raiders and WoW players to boycott Wowjutsu. Do not link to it in any medium. Do not speak of it with friends. Only mention it in a call to boycott the site. Instead, refer only to sites that are accurate and well-run.
It is our jobs as players to prop up the sites that service us best. Let’s not support those that fail to do what we expect. Especially if they are trying to make money with advertisements. People who can’t run a decent service don’t deserve a cent of the advertising money they make.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Hmmm… Interesting…
To be completely honest I had never heard of this before. (Yes, I live under a rock.) But I am willing to give it a shot. I will miss WoWJutsu’s polished feel, but that might come here with time. And I agree, I’m totally sick of how off WoWJutsu is.
I’m noticing a few things I don’t like with WoWProgress. It gives no final credit if K’T isn’t killed, which means you can’t compare ranking graph… thing… with guilds who don’t have him down. Its early BC kill dates (I’m look at like March – May) seem to be off. It’s registering people in our guild who are no longer with us/transfered. People who were guild removed for inactivity and then started playing again are showing as leaving the guild the day they reactivated their accounts. Etc.
HOWEVER: I love the graphs, I love the accuracy, I love the lists of all the gear you have logged out in recently.
Thank you for pointing this out to me!
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I also don’t want to get rid of my pretty little ranking thing on the side of my blog… I don’t know if I can do it!
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 am
Why doesn’t WowProgress give any credit for 10-mans? I’m in a small guild that hasn’t done any 25′s, but we have Naxx almost cleared. WowProgress ignores us completely.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 am
@Vvodka – probably because there are too many such guilds to track which would increase the load on the wowprogress site considerably.
Also, considered logically, guilds doing normal 10man raids are not in the “first kill” business and should not really care about their ranking. People joining such guild will almost never be hard-core enough to care about the relative position of such a guild vs. other 10-man guilds.
For the record, my guild also does only 10man raids.
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:15 am
That’s odd to be honest, WoWJutsu for my server (US-Icecrown) has updated and placed guilds properly even if they hadn’t been scanned for 2 weeks. The only issue it has is if you have a kill the same day as another guild you could be missplaced slightly.
Perhaps it’s picking up a member who wasn’t there for the first Malygos kill but in for the second?
Either way I use WoWProgress and WoWJustu just because they’re there. I much prefer the progression thread on the realm forums it’s as accurate as it gets assuming you have a competent person maintaining it.
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
It’s a common occurrence. Ruined killed Malygos 4th on our server and yet is ranked 2nd (would be 3rd if Lunacy was placed properly). Infamy killed Malygos several days ago, while Taint Invaders just barely killed him yesterday. And yet Wowjutsu hasn’t even picked up on it. Divine Wind meanwhile hasn’t even had its numerous Sarth kills tracked, so they place way behind where they should. Despite the fact that I know for a fact people in these guilds have attempted to update their progress repeatedly.
And it shouldn’t have scanned only those there for the second kill (actually, it would have been the third), as we were adding people to the queue who were there for the first (and who actually received loot). It inspired a thread in our guild forums as people tried to update us. And we all decided that Wowjutsu was a steaming pile of crap.
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
@Vvodka
I don’t know, you’d have to ask the administrator. It’s admittedly something he should add, but then again a lot of people don’t look to transfer to a 10-man guild explicitly, whereas there are a lot of transfers for 25-man guilds.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 am
Do you really care where some 3rd party site places you on their stupid rankings? Or are you just trying to boost your ego more?
January 17th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Yes, I care. No, I’m not trying to boost my ego.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
@Person
Look at it this way. You are looking for a raiding guild on another realm, or perhaps even your own. Are you going to bother applying for the 4th ranked guild when both 1 and 2 are looking for the exact same class/spec and you fit their basic requirements?
January 21st, 2009 at 5:32 am
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
January 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 am
I’m not gonna lie, jutsu’s been pissing me off A LOT lately. They’re nothing compared to what they were tbc. They don’t update correctly at all. It seems if you didn’t make a world first kill your guild doesn’t get any attention at all. I’ve had to email them countless times and they’ve yet to respond to me or update my guild’s progress. I don’t care for wow-progress either. It tracks through achievements and just looks all jumbled. They need to tune it up just a bit imo
January 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Guildox.com is another very nicely put together site similar to wowprogress.com
January 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I don’t really see what’s so jumbled about WoWProgress. They track through achievements because many of the achievements are now relative, and it’s actually fairly easy to sort through them. You can even check who was first to accomplish such achievement. Now, surely, some achievements are rather irrelevant, but then most of them do not affect a guild’s ranking. But they are also working on a system that quantifies the value of each one and places them on a separate ranking system.
http://blog.wowprogress.com/2009/01/02/more-ratings/
It’s still a work in progress, so it’s not included in the primary rankings right now. And he has stated the achievement rankings will work alongside major progress rankings. But it does quantify various achievements with a weighted value and is intelligent enough (now) to actually replace the “easier modes” of a various encounter with the hard modes. That way skipping Assist and Duo to complete Twilight Zone earlier doesn’t have any negative ramification on a guild’s ranking. That said, I do disagree with giving some achievements a value. Arachnophobia? Momma Said Knock You Out? Hundred Club? Just Can’t Get Enough? Pfft.
The problem I have with Guild Ox is that it simply gives each achievement a value of one, when clearly there are some which should be weighted higher or lower than others. I like WoWProgress for the detail and attention its administrator pays to the site.
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:50 am
Hi… are you still around? I miss your articles.
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:44 am
Yer wowjutsu is completed wrong. My guild is ranked 1st on realm but we only formed 3 weeks ago and although we cleared all content, we have fewer achievements than the should-be 1st guild.
Samownall – WoW Blog
March 7th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Hey Lume, I miss your write ups!
Hope everything is well in your world,
-Ave
March 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Wow. Thank you. I’ve been hoping WowInsider would post something alone these lines for quite some time now. My server places way too much stock in Wowjustsu, and it has guilds that somehow have a Malygos kill, without a Saph kill, ranked in the top 5. I only recently discovered Wowprogress, but since doing so, it’s all that I use to report our standing to my guild.
Rankings are extremely important to any guilds trying to attract strong players. This is a game, and the video game world has been obsessed with high scores and being the best since they were created. Inaccurate reports can seriously hurt recruiting.
My only question: Does Wowprogress provide some sort of ranking badge that can be displayed on a website like Wowjutsu does? I’ve been wanting to ditch it forever but I couldn’t find an alternative and my guild wants the ranking there.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am
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